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Look forward to my 1948 model B being restored by you. Unfortunately I think my soundboard is shot.

Steinway -- meh.

There is an inherent clarity potential in a particular instrument. Technicians will comment on this as they wrestle with the "flesh and blood"of ANY instrument in pursuit of a tonal ideal. More than a couple of technicians have made very favorable comparisons between my little 1969 Baldwin L and a lot of Steinways. Side note, from an acoustics standpoint the L is the biggest piano I would want in a home. To me it's sad all the golden era Steimway concert grands cooped up in university offices...

Through an unexpected stroke of good fortune, I have an 1887 NY Steinway C in my living room -- never thought that would happen. It needs a lot of work, but I'm interested in what it still has. I'm keeping the soundboard, for instance, and duplicating the action parts and geometry.

Just try rebuilding a Steinway with a few inconsequential non-Steinway parts, and put a different name on the fallboard, and see how the company would react! After all, if it's no longer a Steinway, it surely could be called some invented name.

quite a bunch of Baloney here

"verse"???

Audio examples are awful!

Yamahas feel, sound and age better at a superior price in all situations. Steinways feel stiff, tinny and are finicky to maintain.

As a classical pianist of 20+ years, Steinway made an excellent piano back during their “golden era,” but now their pianos lack the same sense of craftsmanship that made them popular. Ten years ago, I had the opportunity to buy a Steinway grand, and passed it up to purchase a new Schimmel grand. Unfortunately, many of the Steinway buyers today end up buying into the brand hype from the dealers, and automatically assume it’s a superior instrument because of marketing and price. In my experience, new Steinways are far over priced for the mediocre quality instruments they are now producing. Couple that with dealers who are salespeople and not musicians… and they really don’t know the instruments they are selling. Overall the modern Steinway marketing scheme is geared to wealthy individuals who are looking for a status symbol in their home.

The Yamaha C7 Grand Piano is the most recorded piano in music history for a reason. To do that while competing against the Steinway brand name shows you how much better the instrument must be to overcome that hurdle.

Well I suppose this means even brand new Steinways are "SteinWAS" too because even THEY don't use all Steinway parts in the building of brand new Steinways. They buy some pretty significant parts off the shelf and they're the EXACT SAME parts that go into many different brands. Ignore that "SteinWAS" garbage, just make sure if it was rebuilt, that it was rebuilt correctly. Lindenblad IS one of those companies that does it right. Oh, the other lie the dealers love to pedal is that Steinways always go UP in value, LOL!

I'm a musician, but not a pianist. As a vocalist, I can't go out and buy a new (or old) instrument. So I asked some pianist friends of mine about Steinways. All of them said Steinways were good pianos - particularly the ones made between the two world wars. They also said that current Steinways were great instruments but didn't have the same superior quality of those older instruments. They also said there were other brands out there to investigate.

The old Steinways I’ve played (25+ years old) have all been garbage.

Looks like an ad to me.

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I purchased a used Yamaha CF6 and can tell you the sound is just incredible.

Here's what I think. If the repair was done by a Steinway authorized tech, then fine. If not, then I believe Steinway has a right to protect their reputation. After all, such a masterpiece is more than just parts - it's also the people who make it. If you're not planning on selling your 'baby', then fine. You're free to think of it in any way you like. If you sell it, though, I belive you are duty bound to inform the prospective buyer of its history. And they are, of course, free to say, fine, I love it. It's every bit of Steinway as far as I'm concerned. But if _they_ then sell it, they inherit the same duty. IMO.

I dont have money for both i just got second hand

97% of all worldwide concerts are on Steinway pianos. Their reputation is earned

But that’s a priceless Steinway! Not anymore.

are they having trouble selling Steinways now? there are several of these videos that look like fakery to bring back Steinways.

The jazz player here has an instrument of which the hammers really aren't voiced. They're hard and ugly and the sound does a disservice to Steinway.

I love my Kawai 😁

Yeah, you guys obviously don’t sell Yamaha pianos, so I think your infomercial is just a little biased.

I watched a Steinway artist at a concert at a local college that had a Steinway and a Bösendorfer Imperial 290 on stage. He played everything on the 290. Steinways are great pianos but they’re not so flawless that they are the only viable choice in every professional situation. Yamahas are mentioned with Steinway because they are that good but in a different way.

Hamburg Steinways make the N.Y. models seem cheap. The quality and piano techs in Germany are the best in the world. N.Y. just seems to need to compete with the competition. Steinway of old? There was no competition.

A marketing company that might build pianos.

Change the hammers to better hammers. Better Steinway. Strings scaled slightly different. Better Steinway. The Hamburg Steinway makes the N.Y. version sound cheap.

Any store or advice for a miami resident?

They know the new ones don't equal the pianos of a hundred years ago, so are stooping to scare tactics. Similar to hundred-year-old houses; they cannot be made that way today. They are treasures from a time gone by, gems still shining today. 🎹

Quite a lot of video to not even show them head to head.

I’d much prefer a good Mason and Hamlin. Especially if it was built in the last 15 years. Or, if I wanted a European piano, I’d choose a Bluthner.

This is a line of hype from the marketing department. The fact is, once a piano is sold it is basically of no value to them as they have made all the money off of it that they can make. More so now than in the past when the Steinway family was in control of the company. Fifty years ago I had the opportunity to tour the LS Starrett Company in Athol, MA (makers of precision measuring tools...some of which are no doubt used at the Steinway factory) The man leading the tour asked me if I had any Starrett tools. I replied yes and then he asked how many of them I had bought new. I replied none and he said "that's the problem, our biggest competitor is not tools made overseas, it's the tools we made forty years ago." They, like Steinway pianos, tend to be well taken care of from generation to generation and if repair is needed, their initial design allows them to be repaired. No planned obsolescence.

In arguing that it *is* a Steinway, you are fueling the same bullshit that you're calling them out on. You should say "I don't give a shit if you consider it a Steinway. It sounds good."

Restored? That's blasphemy considering that you're stripping a vintage Steinway of its innards that actually made it so unique. You're refurbishing pianos and you're talking badly about Yamaha. Disgusting, both as a piano lover and someone looking at business practice.

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Sounds like Rolex and their sales pitch.

One of the best commercials that I have seen!

The piano music is too loud at times, making hearing the narration harder than it needs to be.

Thank you. That was clear and educational. Tradition wins!

These dudes probably work for stienway. And want us to buy it, well unlucky for them. Nice try but No thank you

Only have a grand piano any brand is already so good to me I will cry lf happinnes, Sorry if there are grammar mistakes

Nice video but how about tuning the piano before demonstrating how it sounds?

Most rebuilders I know do a better job than the Steinway factory does these days.

So, what's left of the original piano after your "restoration"? Not a lot, that's my guess. Probably everything replaced with "original Steinway material". The plate has got a new coating. Pins with nickel coatings, plastic key tops. And I won't even speculate about the soundboard and bridges. BTW, S/N 61666 isn't from1888, it's from 1886. And even if you kept the original bridge pins with an angle to create different speaking length in the unisons: One can actually tune those unisons to sound beautiful. This piano is simply out of tune and it sounds like you lacquered the hammers according to modern NY Steinway voicing protocol. And Hamburg in the 1880s was a mere assembly station for pianos delivered from the depot of NY Steinways. The first Steinway that was completely built in Hamburg dates back to 1908. I really wonder what you are trying to tell us with this kind of video; a restoration it certainly isn't.

I have a Knabe 9' D, fully restored and the sound is magic. When compared to Steinway and the many I have heard, I admire the power and beauty of a Steinway. I have listened to the Yamaha's and they are for the most part too bright, too clinical perhaps - something just is not right. I don't get that warm and fuzzy sound that hugs you. In the concert hall, the Steinway is a pillar every time - well most of the time. Depends on the piano and how well it was set up. But my Knabe, when played quietly has a sound from heaven that goes right throuh you. Each to ther own. For me, I would not buy a Yamaha unless I could modify it a lot.

I think I may have been at that show at the DCP with Rubenstein. I was about 9 or 10 which would have put the concert in 1973 or 1974. It was an amazing night! We had front row center seats as he played an all Chopin recital!

Some of the Worst Pianos I have ever played were Steinways....over hyped...

The controversy in this video is about the brand name, not the instrument. Similar to the phenomenon of "The Vanishing Rembrandts" where some Rembrandt paintings were discovered to be only partially painted by Rembrandt, then finished by one of his hired pupils, and dubbed NOT a genuine Rembrandt, a similar brand controversy exists here. Over a period of more than seven decades, as a pianist I have played just about every brand, style, type, size and condition of piano ever made since the last century. I've played hundreds of Steinway & Sons pianos. Each had its own characteristics and personality. Generally, there has been little consistency with the musical identity of Steinway pianos, except through their recorded sound, which was always carefully prepared. The Steinway factory makes the pianos, but requires the dealer's technicians do the final preparation before the pianos are sold or put into circulation. Forget the brand for a minute and look at only the instrument. I've played some really awful old and new Steinway pianos. I've also played some Steinway pianos which I loved so much I wanted to steal them. The key to the success of any piano is not only the original design and factory assembly, but the technical care given to the piano after it is bought. In the basement of the old Steinway Hall in New York, there were a variety of concert grand model "D" pianos, which every great pianist would play before selecting one for a concert at Carnegie Hall. Each "Concert and Artist" piano in their collection had different technical care over the years, and each was moved, disassembled, moved again, reassembled, then tuned, re-tuned and voiced. Pianos are in a constantly reactive mode, since they react to humidity, temperature, seasons and atmosphere. If a technician uses non-Steinway parts in order to make the piano play better, or sound better, it doesn't change the brand of the piano. Ask any concert-level piano technician. They often have to improvise using parts or techniques which they fashion themselves. Sometimes this works better than factory original. Once, at a private piano shop I played a very cheap Chinese-made Pearl River grand piano, which impressed me as much as any Steinway, Bosendorfer, Fazioli, or Bechstein. The technician, who owned it, told me he had worked on this piano for over six months to get it to sound and play the way it did. He also admitted that it wouldn't hold its tune very long, and its action would become uneven within a week of regular playing. But, he proved to me that in the hands of a great technician, any piano can sound and feel great....at least for a short while. The world's fine pianos, Steinway certainly included, will be able to sound good and play well, and hold up over years, decades, and even into another century in the hands of skilled technicians or piano re-builders. I also played the "Concert and Artist" Steinway model "D" # 503.....also known as Vladimir Horowitz' own personal piano. The "503" was touring around the world, being flown, trucked, moved, set up, torn down, stored, handled and played by pianists in many countries. I was amazed that this piano was able to play at all, given the amount of climate changes, moving, handling and rigorous abuse it endured over the years. Yet, with good technical care, it played very well and sounded good, even with replacement parts as they were needed. I worked personally with Franz Mohr, Steinway's Chief Technician, and personal technician to Horowitz, Arthur Rubinstein, and many others great pianists. He told me that he often improvised all kinds of things to the "503" in order to get it to sound and feel good to the maestro. Was it Steinway? of course it was !! A final note about the pianos heard in this video. Most of them do not have the characteristic Steinway sound, since all but a couple are very badly out of tune and greatly in need of voicing. They are also recorded with non-professional equipment in rooms which are not acoustically welcoming. The authentic "Steinway " sound is the sound of a model "B" (7 foot) or a model "D" (9 foot) grand. These pianos are finely tuned and voiced before any recording is made, and re-tuned during the recording sessions. They are professionally recorded in acoustically prepared studios, often using several microphones, and often a bit of EQ and reverb added for depth. This is the sound we usually expect from Steinway, because it has been the most-recorded piano sound since the 1940's and 1950's when long-playing records first evolved. That same sound is recognized when hearing a model "B" or model "D" in person, but only after a fresh tuning and voicing.